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Apprentice |
Sleep is a big factor when it comes to me and my migraine triggers. I wonder if anyone has ever discussed this particular question before.
If 8 hours of sleep seems to be the magic number for me, should it really matter WHEN I get those 8 hours, as long as they are consecutive? It seems like (maybe) I'm more prone to a migraine if I got to bed at 1:00 a.m. and wake up at 9:00 a.m., rather than if I go to bed at 11:00 p.m. and wake up at 7:00 a.m. Is this just a coincidence (I've not paid that much attention to it), or has anyone here experienced the same type of problem? Thanks, Sandi |
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Grand Wizard |
I know it's not migraines so much that I'm prone to but just feeling blah in general. My perfect sleep cycle is 1 am to 9 am and right now, during the school year, my schedule is 11:30 pm to 7 am and if I'm going to get a migraine, it will be on that sleep cycle. The sleep clinic I went to even recommended a one hour nap during the school year, so it seems like it really doesn't matter when that sleep comes. Deb [url=http://www.TickerFactory.com/]  |
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Forum Moderator Supreme Guru  |
Some people are sensitive to changes of timing. My *guess* is that it has something to do with disrupting rhythms.
Most of us have probably woken up in the wrong sleep cycle, such as in the middle of deep sleep while we're dreaming, and have felt just horrid afterward for doing so. Yet, if we wake up during lighter cycles, we feel more refreshed. Once you're used to a time, your sleep patterns kind of "mold around" it. You can get used to being in deeper sleep at X time, for instance. Shift the go to sleep and wake times, and you'll probably disrupt this by waking up in a not-so-customary part of the cycle than your used to, and you'll likely feel it. It could be grogginess, or it could be that you trigger. That's my theory, anyway.  Dragondrool Forum Moderator ~~8=:>>>> |
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Master |
I know I'm more prone to migraines if I have broken sleep, regardless of how many hours of sleep I actually get. I may just be the disruption from the 'norm' that effects your migraines...
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Forum Moderator Grand Wizard  |
Meli-
Broken sleep can be more than just annoying- IMHO, the trigger itself could be not getting good QUALITY sleep, as opposed to the number of hours your head's on the pillow. I know that when I get broken sleep, I'm not getting good REM sleep, or deep sleep, and I require a certain amount of deep sleep in various stages of brain-refreshing shut-eye Here's a video about sleep and Migraine Migraines, Headaches, and Sleep Dr. John Claude Krusz discusses the importance of proper sleep and the impact of sleep issues on headaches and Migraines. Here's even more on sleep issues and Migraine- it's an article on Transformed Migraine, but it explains that "disrupted sleep can be a trigger for many Migraineurs." It's worth taking a look at, even if you don't have transformed Migraine, as it shows some interesting study data about sleep quality/quantity and Migraine! You can find it Here! This week for me has been an experiment in disrupted sleep, too little sleep and poor quality sleep. I was trying so hard to closely watch other triggers to make sure that stackable triggers didn't get me while I was already so vulnerable because of poor sleep! Unfortunately, I overdid it a couple of days, and it was Migraine City! Jamie Forum Moderator |
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Master |
Thanks Jamie, I'm definitely going to take a look at both of those. The REM sleep stuff makes sense. Not getting a good night sleep can be tough for most people, nevermind up Migraineurs. Some nights are better than others for me with the broken sleep. But the meds that I have tried to help me sleep have made me a mess in the morning. But I'm sure there is stuff out there I haven't tried.
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Forum Moderator Supreme Guru |
I hear you there! Most of the things I've tried that "should" make me sleepy tend to wire me up into hyperinsomnia. Apart from the Temazepam I had once, which is short-term only, the only thing I've ever had any real luck with is my muscle relaxant. So, that's what we use for me for a sleep aid, as well as for relaxing muscles. Generic Unisom was scary. I slept, but I had vivid, highly upsetting disaster dreams, and the worst groggies ever the next day. I actually woke up crying from one of the dreams, and threw out the rest of that med the next morning.
Dragondrool Forum Moderator ~~8=:>>>> |
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Apprentice |
Good topic!
Sleep is a huge trigger for me as well. I need a quality 9 hours. Timing isn't quite as important, except that it throws off my body clock and then I may not get the quality I need, i.e. wake up, toss and turn, or pass out in one position and wake up sore. When I worked, I used to push myself on limited sleep and then think I could make it up later. Wrong. A consistent schedule is so important for me. Even now, if I have a day here or there when I only get say 6 hours of quality sleep, then I "may" be ok, but I need to get back to my routine that night. -Tonya |
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Apprentice |
Jamie - Thanks for the link! Good info. Tonya
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Maven |
Droolie,
I am on Temazepam long-term. I have not gone up a dose in 3 months, however, and it still makes me sleepy enough to go to sleep most of the time. Some days it doesn't work, however, such as around my cycle when I am more likely to experience insomnia. I was on melatonin and Seroquel, but the Seroquel caused weight gain (I couldn't keep myself away from peanut butter and chocolate) and extreme daytime fatigue. My peak hours are at night. If I am not in bed by 3AM then I won't sleep, period. Sleep issues are tricky for me because I have CEBV, and when it's active I can sleep up to 14 hours or more a day. A "normal" cycle for me is 10 hours, and sometimes I require a nap. This cycle will throw me into a migraine but sometimes I feel like I have no choice but to nap because of my other health issues. If I have broken sleep whatsoever I will have a more severe migraine the next day. Another word on sleep stages; REM stage sleep is NOT deep sleep. It's actually the lightest stage of sleep we go through. Stage 4 sleep is the deepest, and then we cycle into REM sleep and go back through stages 1-4. However, the longer we sleep the longer REM sleep goes when we cycle back to it. In stage 4 sleep, it is more difficult to bring the brain awake, which is where some of us run into sleep paralysis issues. People mistake REM as being the deepest stage because we are told constantly how important REM sleep is to preserving the brain and preparing it for its crucial functions. Naturally, we think that the deepest sleep should be the most important. www.aloofelf.blogspot.com www.twitter.com/leeloosmigraine My disabling chronic illness is more real than your imaginary medical expertise. |
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Apprentice |
All my meds make me sleep but, Cmybalta gives me hot flashes still. So therefore I wake in the middle of the night. I'll be glad when my hip heals completely and I can stop take it. Then maybe I'll get a good nite sleep. Maybe you dotor can offer suggustion. I'm going to start taking my melatonia. I think I spelled it right?... it helps a lot with sleep.
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Forum Moderator Supreme Guru |
I only took Temazepam for ten days at a time, on a couple of different occasions. My doc at the time wouldn't let me take it longer than ten days at a stretch, not only for the dependence potential, but also because he said it tended to fizzle out on people longer term. It worked very well the first ten days. It also worked well the second time, but by about that fifth night, I saw signs of the dreaded fizzle. Considering that there were OTC options that didn't have the issues Temazepam has,and that were considered better options for long term, we moved on. That's when we found out most of what was supposed to work had the opposite effect on me. I'd already been climbing the walls every night with severe insomnia. By luck, we noticed that the muscle relaxant did help me get much-coveted sleep, so we finally decided to use it off-label, since I was usually having fibro issues along with the lost sleep from being hyperthyroid. It still works like a champ, so now we figure, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Thanks for the reminder on the sleep things. I was sleepy when I was scribbling my ponderings, and goofed up that which I knew about REM and Delta sleep and all that jazz when I was mentioning getting goofed up during bad sleep cycles to get goofed up in. Which is a ton of goofing up. Good thing you were watching over my goobery self, huh? Thanks!
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Maven |
Aw, naw, Droolie...A lot of people mix up sleep stages. I read a lot of web pages last night that dropped the stages down to 4 instead of 5, since stage 3 and 4 kind of overlap as far as sleep waves go. I wrote that out and then I thought it sounded snotty, so I hope you didn't get that vibe from it, it wasn't my intention. It's just such an easy mix-up to hit.
Which muscle relaxer are you on? I may ask for one this week at my appointment. Anymore I am just bunching up my muscles in my back due to stress and depression and it can't be good for my head. I really liked melatonin by my doc said it took up to 3 hours to instigate anything in the brain so he didn't want me taking it anymore. I can only handle one or two nights of crawl-the-walls insomnia...You poor thing. I am glad your relaxant works so well for you. www.aloofelf.blogspot.com www.twitter.com/leeloosmigraine My disabling chronic illness is more real than your imaginary medical expertise. |
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Master |
Good topic!!
I've always thought I got plenty of sleep. In fact, I would "sleep" 10 - 14 hours. My trouble was that I couldn't fall asleep, but I never woke up on my own. I was a magnet and my bed was the Cmetal!!  But I was always tired. My internist suggested a sleep study and it showed that I was waking up all night long. They said my study showed I was only getting two hours of restorative sleep. I'm now taking Klonopin for Restless Legs Syndrome. Cyn "Life is too short, forgive quickly, love truly, laugh uncontrollably, play with children, and never regret anything that made you smile. Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here, we should dance! " |
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Forum Moderator Supreme Guru  |
Poor sleep is one of my biggest triggers. It really doesn’t matter what time I go to bed as long as I get a solid seven or eight hours of sleep, I’m good to go. My specialist prescribed Zanaflex to help me fall asleep and it works great but I still wake up in the middle of the night and have problems falling back to sleep. The strange thing is that I always seem to wake up around the same times every night.
I just started a new med to help keep me asleep at night so I’m hopeful it will work…I’ll keep you guys posted  Laura Forum Moderator |
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